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Bush Executive Order: Criminalizes the Antiwar Movement

Posted by nytexan on July 21, 2007

So you thought you lived in a free society, where dissent is patriotic, where speaking your mind is your Constitutional right. Well, not any more my friends. A new Bush Executive Order, signed July 17th allows Bush to seize property and other fun stuff from anyone who is against the war. So I guess Congress, all the anti-war movements, all the progressive movements and blogs are in for a treat.

The executive order violates the First, Fourth and Fifth Amendments of the US Constitution.

This seems to go hand in hand with the Executive Order Bush signed in May giving him complete control after a catastrophic event is announced.

Global Research, July 20, 2007, by Prof. Michel Chossudovsky

The Executive Order entitled “Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq” provides the President with the authority to confiscate the assets of whoever opposes the US led war.

A presidential Executive Order issued on July 17th, repeals with the stroke of a pen the right to dissent and to oppose the Pentagon’s military agenda in Iraq.

The Executive Order entitled “Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq” provides the President with the authority to confiscate the assets of “certain persons” who oppose the US led war in Iraq:

“I have issued an Executive Order blocking property of persons determined to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people.”

In substance, under this executive order, opposing the war becomes an illegal act.

The Executive Order criminalizes the antiwar movement. It is intended to “blocking property” of US citizens and organizations actively involved in the peace movement. It allows the Department of Defense to interfere in financial affairs and instruct the Treasury to “block the property” and/or confiscate/ freeze the assets of “Certain Persons” involved in antiwar activities. It targets those “Certain Persons” in America, including civil society organizatioins, who oppose the Bush Administration’s “peace and stability” program in Iraq, characterized, in plain English, by an illegal occupation and the continued killing of innocent civilians.

The Executive Order also targets those “Certain Persons” who are “undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction”, or who, again in plain English, are opposed to the confiscation and privatization of Iraq’s oil resources, on behalf of the Anglo-American oil giants.

The order is also intended for anybody who opposes Bush’s program of “political reform in Iraq”, in other words, who questions the legitimacy of an Iraqi “government” installed by the occupation forces.

Moreover, those persons or nongovernmental organizations (NGOs), who provide bona fide humanitarian aid to Iraqi civilians, and who are not approved by the US Military or its lackeys in the US sponsored Iraqi puppet government are also liable to have their financial assets confiscated.

The executive order violates the First, Fourth and Fifth Amendments of the US Constitution. It repeals one of the fundamental tenets of US democracy, which is the right to free expression and dissent. The order has not been the object of discussion in the US Congress. Sofar, it has not been addressed by the US antiwar movement, in terms of a formal statement.

Apart from a bland Associated Press wire report, which presents the executive order as “an authority to use financial sanctions”, there has been no media coverage or commentary of a presidential decision which strikes at the heart of the US Constitution.

Broader implications

The criminalization of the State is when the sitting President and Vice President use and abuse their authority through executive orders, presidential directives or otherwise to define “who are the criminals” when in fact they they are the criminals.

This latest executive order criminalizes the peace movement. It must be viewed in relation to various pieces of “anti-terrorist” legislation, the gamut of presidential and national security directives, etc., which are ultimately geared towards repealing constitutional government and installing martial law in the event of a “national emergency”.

The war criminals in high office are intent upon repressing all forms of dissent which question the legitimacy of the war in Iraq.

The executive order combined with the existing anti-terrorist legislation is eventually intended to be used against the anti-war and civil rights movements. It can be used to seize the assets of antiwar groups in America as well as block the property and activities of non-governmental humanitarian organizations providing relief in Iraq, seizing the assets of alternative media involved in a reporting the truth regarding the US-led war, etc.

In May 2007, Bush issued a major presidential National Security Directive (National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive NSPD 51/HSPD 20), which would suspend constitutional government and instate broad dictatorial powers under martial law in the case of a “Catastrophic Emergency” (e.g. Second 9/11 terrorist attack).

On July 11, 2007 the CIA published its “National Intelligence Estimate” which pointed to an imminent Al Qaeda attack on America, a second 9/11 which, according to the terms of NSPD 51, would immediately be followed by the suspension of constitutional government and the instatement of martial law under the authority of the president and the vice-president. (For further details, see Michel Chossudovsky, Bush Directive for a “Catastrophic Emergency” in America: Building a Justification for Waging War on Iran? June 2007)

NSPD 51 grants unprecedented powers to the Presidency and the Department of Homeland Security, overriding the foundations of Constitutional government. It allows the sitting president to declare a “national emergency” without Congressional approval. The implementation of NSPD 51 would lead to the de facto closing down of the Legislature and the militarization of justice and law enforcement.

“The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government….”

Were NSPD 51 to be invoked, Vice President Dick Cheney, who constitutes the real power behind the Executive, would essentially assume de facto dictatorial powers, circumventing both the US Congress and the Judiciary, while continuing to use President George W. Bush as a proxy figurehead.

NSPD 51, while bypassing the Constitution, nonetheless, envisages very precise procedures which guarantee the powers of Vice President Dick Cheney in relation to “Continuity of Goverment” functions under Martial Law:

This directive shall be implemented in a manner that is consistent with, and facilitates effective implementation of, provisions of the Constitution concerning succession to the Presidency or the exercise of its powers, and the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 (3 U.S.C. 19), with consultation of the Vice President and, as appropriate, others involved. Heads of executive departments and agencies shall ensure that appropriate support is available to the Vice President and others involved as necessary to be prepared at all times to implement those provisions.” (NSPD 51, op cit.)

The executive order to confiscate the assets of antiwar/peace activists is broadly consistent with NSPD 51. It could be triggered even in the absence of a “Catastrophic emergency” as envisaged under NSPD 51. It repeals democracy. It goes one step further in “criminalizing” all forms of opposition and dissent. to the US led war and “Homeland Security” agenda.

 

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45 Responses to “Bush Executive Order: Criminalizes the Antiwar Movement”

  1. Michael Pugliese said

    http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003733.php

  2. wow, thats not a translation, or even an opinion piece…thats lunacy….nice work. I’d genuflect, but I forgot my magic prayer rug

  3. nytexan said

    I find both executive orders rather scary. I think Bush will enact a catastrophic event to cancel the 2008 elections.

  4. wow…that comment was even worse than the post….these are boiler plate executive orders designed to tweak previous executive orders. Someone needs to quit putting thorazine in their cheerios is what i think

  5. nytexan said

    Bush has signed more executive orders and signing statements that any other president. Most of the past president have indeed tweaked previous orders. However, the orders Bush has signed are stand alone, meaning most if not all DO NOT go back to any past administrations. They are all directed towards the actions of his presidency and the administration.

    If your answer was that simple there wouldn’t be constitutional scholars examining the orders for their validity.

  6. ha…if you weren’t so simple you would know that constitutional scholars study every executive order for their constitutional validity

  7. landers53 said

    Ah, yeah. Some people are still asleep and cannot see the writing on the wall.

    We are talking about a president/vice president who think that they are above the law. That think that the constitution is just a damn piece of paper.

    They are people who have no conscience. No empathy. They don’t care about us. And will do whatever they have to to get their way. No matter what that entails. They are psychopaths. We need to wake up here,folks. To see things as they really are, and they are not pretty at all.

    For those of you who like to keep up on what’s really going on, there is a website that carries news on the most varied topics I’ve seen yet. You can find it here:

    http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/

    Great article, by the way. You are spot on here. Please keep up your good work. We need to get the truth out as much as possible.

  8. nytexan said

    criminyjicket:
    ha…if you weren’t so simple you would know that constitutional scholars study every executive order for their constitutional validity

    You have made my point. The scholars are still reviewing them for their validity. The orders are still being questioned.

    You accept the GOP mantra line way to easy. You comments are very transparent.

  9. boy do we….i can’t wait until there is an election in 2008 like always, and all you good folks have to at least eat that whacko idea

  10. oh, and nope. I think the far right is as whacked in the head as you clowns. Not a sane member on either extreme. The problem is the centrists like watching the idiocy so much they forget to talk

  11. nytexan said

    Landers53:
    You are so right there are many that are still asleep. You have to wonder how many lies have to be told, how many soldiers have to die and how many secrets need to be uncovered before the light bulb goes off in BushCo supports heads.

    Thanks for coming by hope to see you again.
    Thanks for the link, I’ll check it out.

  12. nytexan said

    Interesting, I really don’t recall nor do I see where you have been called a name or attacked, however, you find the need to respond in that way. Not a very intelligent way to get you point across.

  13. i didn’t call names…i pointed out facts…and my point would never get across here. The closed mind can’t be opened

  14. landers53 said

    criminyjicket Says:
    July 21st, 2007 at 9:07 pm

    i didn’t call names…i pointed out facts…and my point would never get across here. The closed mind can’t be opened

    Yes, it can’t, can it? But the problem is just whose mind is closed?

    It is easy to just take for granted everything that the psychopaths in power tell you. No problems, no sweat. But to actually go out and see what is really happening under our very noses. To find out what is really happening in the world. That takes a little more effort.

    As in the Matrix movie, do you want to take the red pill and see the truth, or do you want to take the blue pill and go back to sleep? It’s all up to you, of course. But you really should know what you are talking about before you criticize someone else for the very things you, yourself, are doing.

  15. nytexan said

    Landers53:
    Very well said.

    I’ll have a red pill..please.

    BTW:I really like the site you recommended. I will be adding them to my blogroll. Thanks again.

  16. wow, knowing absollutely nothing about me, you determined that I’m not aware of whats going on? You’re pretty good. Did you get that from tarot cards, or simmply because I disagreed with you? I don’t like bush. I think he has really put us in some bad spots. I also don’t agree with the “theories” advanced above. That doesn’t make me wrong and you right. Only time will do that. Come let me know when the first peaceful anti-war demonstrator is punished under that executive order

  17. nytexan said

    That’s fine that you don’t agree with the post.You don’t have to agree with other who are commenting. However, because you don’t agree that doesn’t give you the right to label this blog and others commenting as “you clowns”

    If you have something of value to impart than state it. Thoughtful conversation is encouraged here.

  18. bosskitty said

    Wow Criminy, I didn’t know there was anyone left who could balance on the tip of a razor. This country is on the brink of something awful – with all the shaking going on right now, clinging to the middle is quite a feat. The trust factor has completely disappeared for this administration. The choices presented for 2008 candidates are less than desirable, but one or two may have promise. Find me a candidate that can straddle the line strong enough to unite this divided country and salvage what remains of America.

  19. kitty: that i can’t do. I could find you a ticket that could, but it won’t happen. Compromise is no longer part of the political vernacular, so we have a lot of hard left, and hard right candidates. From the left we need it to be obama, but it will be hillary, and from the right we need it to be…hell, on the right there isn’t anyone. Unless Paul moderated his constitutional only federal government stance they are all at best incredibly marginal people.

    ny..i pologize for calling you a clown, but go read that and tell me it doesn’t sound like the rantings of a lunatic.

  20. nytexan said

    Criminyjicket:

    I agree with you on Obama. I can’t get jazzed about Hillary; she will be more of the same. I’m really tired of the Bush/Clinton revolving door on the White House. I think many will vote for Hillary to get Bill back in the White House and that’s foolish.

    The GOP needs to clean the slate and start over. Ron Paul is probably the only viable one there, but I don’t think the base would go for him.

    Regarding the post itself, my statement is at the top of the post. The article was written by Prof. Michel Chossudovsky of Global Research.

    On another note, I do become a bit annoyed with the dismissive attitude of many in either party. I stand by my statement of not deleting anyone, but I will also defend anyone in the comment section who is unnecessarily being attacked on my blog.

    You are welcome here anytime for a constructive conversation or debate.

  21. balkan said

    Take care my American friends, and keep on blogging and thinking with your own head! Even GWB is not the Allmighty, as he thinks he is!

  22. nytexan said

    Balkan:
    That’s the plan. With 75% of the country against him he can’t round us all up. But pulling the plug on the net, well that’s another story.

    Governors can call their national guard to go against a rogue president but funny thing most of the guards men/women are not here.

  23. Poor soul fighting an unjust war said

    Well the individual who wrote this article is not crazy nor assuming all that much. I am in the midst of this ever so unfavorable war. and I do consider myself a patriot, which is why I believe that I should tell everyone here that this war will never end until those responsible for it are punished by the true system of governement our country was founded on.

    TRY THIS ON FOR SIZE!

    did you know the dick cheney used to be a CEO and proably still holds considerable stock shares and/or personal interests in the haliburton corparation. Known to many people in iraq as KBR. KBR is a private contract company that gained its contract for everything it does in iraq completely unbid against, and its not because the were so cheap, in fact they are outraeous expensive to the military and the government. I cant throw a rock here and not hit a KBR contractor or thier place of work. and they do a reall shitty job for the outrageous price they charge. $28 dollars for one plate at the chow hall. The food sucks, and I am not exagerrating, a starving stray iraqi dog wont even eat that shit. $99 dollars for on bag of laundary? WTF IS THAT SHIT. AND YOU KNOW WHO BENEFITS? MR. DICK FUCKING CHENEY. Our country is giving away its freedom, my brothers and sisters in arms are giving away their lives family and sanity so that this man can be rich
    SO MAKE YOUR VOICE BE HEARD FOR THE VOICELESS
    tell everyone about the injustice you see everyday.
    and dont let them have any choice but to listen beacause if you do more people will die for his wallet to be fatter and you will give up more of your freedom so he can have more money then he can ever even spend.

  24. Wow, That is really some sickening news – the latest excutive order. We really need to retrieve this country out of the hands of these extremists. I just want some sanity and respect for OUR contitution. At this point i don’t care which party it comes from – because things are so dyer. IF the saner conservatives can get us there, without playing the religion card – FINE ! If its the Dems, ok too. We still do NOT have vote counting issues resolved. Too many states are open to having the electoral vote hacked. E- voting is rotting our freedom away.
    This latest order ought to scare the bejeezus out of true conservatives as well as anyone on the left. I am hoping that the constitutional scholers on the Conservative side like Bruce Fein get a larger audience. We have an out of control Excutive Branch. This should melt away any partisian disagreements. WE the people have a quaqmire raging in the ME. The reasons for being there shift so much – who can trust the NeoCons. They really REALLY need to be impeached. If we do not use this tool designed to protect the country from Excutive over reach – all bets are off.

    It can happen here. Wake up and smell the coffee. We cannot not trust this bunch – “Unitary Excutive”, mechanisms for martial law. One would think – true conservatives would be more up in arms than the liberals. Instead we argue amongst ourselves. I am hoping for the day ALL of us come together and rally around OUR shared constitution..And insist on a review of the over 500 excutive orders signed by this dictator in chief. He has done it , divided us so bitterly , so he can consolidate power, while we squabble.

    50% of the troops in Iraq are National Guard. Only 17 out of the 80 oil fields are “given” to the Iraqi’s in the constitution the usa helped cobble together – No wonder they are at a stalmate. The rest are left open for priviatization.

    After all the false alarms and fear mongering – who can trust this government. All the mechanisms are in place for “martial law” under a psuedo terror threat –

    This should concern conservatives as well as liberals. Enough is Enough.

  25. Poor Soul, we are trying , trying to get our voices heard. Remember Bunnatine Greenhouse ? She was a Pentagon contractor reviewer for over 30 yrs. She blew the whistle on Haliburton or KBR and the No bid contracts over 4 yrs ago. She testified in front of congress and then was fired ! Before the invasion of iraq the President (Cheney) with their minds made up – flipped the world off – OVER 10 million people across the globe took to the street to try and stop the Invasion. Our hearts are breaking for our troops and for the innocent Iraqis drawn into this horrendous mis adventure. Our wounded and maimed vets, are getting sent in for 3 and 4 tours of duty with NO rest in between. The Republicans filabustered a bill sponcered by Webb in the Senate to mandate Rest periods. Then Cynically they turn around and exploit that – calling the Dems obstructionists, when it was a democratic bill. We are fighting a war of propaganda here – which damn near rivals any dictatorship in history. But Soul, we are not giving up ! We are trying to get you all out of there. We do not want you there. And rest assured , there is nothing defeatist nor unpatriotic about this effort. We support the troops so much, we do not want you, any of you, used as cannon fodder – the mission needs to be re defined. WE want you HOME. NOW. No one on any side of the arguement, belittles the sacrifice you are all making. Not a day goes by – you ALL are not in our thoughts. Please help your fellows understand, the liberals do care very much. No matter what propaganda to the contrary you might hear.

    May the god of your choice be with you. And good luck as well.

  26. nytexan said

    Poor soul fighting an unjust war Says:
    Thank you for sharing. The administration and GOP supporters continue to tell us how are voices are hurting the troops. It is very refreshing to have a soldier who is currently (?) in Iraq come here and tell us how they feel.

    Cheney and his buddies profiting from the war through their relationship with KBR and Halliburton is outrageous. The outrageous prices that are being charged for war support does nothing more than line the pockets of the elite.

    The voices of 75% of the country who disagrees with BushCo will continue to yell until until every soldier is home. The war is a disgrace, the lies are beyond countable.

    I encourage all troops active and veterans to participate on my blog. Thank you for visiting and I hope to hear from you again.

  27. nytexan said

    ProudP:
    I fully agree with you. At so pint the strong GOP supporters are going to have to realize that they are not exempt from BushCo’s march into a dictatorship.

    As Bush espouses bringing freedom to the world he is taking it away from Americans. Anyone who things that executive orders are meaningless they are truly foolish. If for nothing else these orders are a wakeup call to what is being framed for the future.

  28. Just for the record, i do not want a president of either party having the power of a “unitary excutive” Our country was not built on this convoluted use of war powers. I do not want to be illegally spyed on, or thought to be unpatriotic because i dissent. I want free speech to be free. I want the people to have their voices heard – Not the corporations. We want civil debate and a MSM and press that seeks to bring truth to the people – without a fully informed population we will not have democracy for long. Who really gives a flying fig about paris hilton – while a war rages on – day and night ? How dare the Excutive Branch declare themselves above the law ? And again i repeat – Where is the moral compass of the Republican Party ? They should be leading the charge – to save their own party from going down in the annals of history as the most corosive force for undermining our freedom in this country. I am asking the conservatives to step up and join with the liberals – love of country must transcend love of party. As NY Texan said, 75%of the people have had it , with the lies, with the bullshit and with our infastructures crumbling, civil rights curtailed While 10 BILLION dollars a month is spent is Iraq. Our standing as a moral nation is no more – AND yes we do torture ! Each day we are in Iraq is a day more enemies are created. If Al Quada wants to gloat if we leave – let em ! Terrorism is a discreet act. There are ways to pursue and punish the guilty. We cannot be the bad parent of the world- i.e. the one who smacks one sibling while saying do not hit your brother. The price we have paid – for a war on an “ism” is already too high, in casualities, in civil liberties, in creating wounds that will fester for decades.

    250,000 dollars a minute !
    How many wounded vets could we treat ? How many people could have health care, access to better schools, access to food and housing- NOLA is still not rebuilt !! Shame on us !

    BushCo had no plan , but to reap the OIL profits(which these NeoCons thought would pay for the war) when this mis adventure began. Rumors are the plans are to stay there for decades. If he is not stopped – NOW.

    America as we knew it, will be something we can only tell our grandchildren about,unless these liers are brought to justice.

    Its heartbreaking – lying about a consensual sexual act brought about Impeachment hearings. Lying the country into war brings us signing statements and excutive orders.

    It makes me want to scream.

  29. jeff s said

    Hi–I said this yesterday on another blog and it deserves repeating.

    All the energy and thoughtful words about these disturbing actions by Bush/Cheney are constructive but I wonder that they aren’t just laughing at us all.

    The 17 July Order could be just a terrible threat hanging over those against the war in hopes of discouraging any real face to face, in the street, pitchforks and torches on Pennsylvania Ave.

    As long as we are here talking, we’re not there–en masse at the doors of Congress or the Whitehouse. God help me I’m worried but I’m here too and I’m sure that’s what Rove et al are counting on—“Let’s scare the shit out them,that’ll shut them up”…….

  30. nytexan said

    Jeff:
    I agree that it may be a tactic to scare us, but I think it will back fire and just piss us off even more. BushCo strategy hasn’t work on anything so far.

    Personally if they did go through with this order, I think known figures like Sheehan will be the first example made. Which would be a stupid move on their part but they seem to be very good at stupid moves.

    My other thought is how does Congress move forward if this can threaten them? Is this their way of shutting Congress up?

  31. Poor soul fighting an unjust war said

    I know that the biggest reason why we “soldiers” dont talk about these things is because we are supposed to follow the order of the president and those appointed to us, but what if those orders are essientially unlawful. I love my country like I love my wife and daughter. And I chose to join the military because my family comes from a long line of people who have defended this country in wars against a true enemy, and I beleieve that It was my duty as an american citizen to earn the freedoms that most peoplemy age take for granted. I am sickened by the war in iraq. I have become a tool used against iraq in an unjust war for profit. I dont doubt that the iraqi people are poor soul who need a gorvenment and at one point need us but there was no reason for us to be here and no reason for me to be here now. ITS THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!! I love my country I really do but I dont feel the need to sacrfice myself and the mental wellbeing of my wife and my first daughter who was born while I was on R&R from my current deployment in iraq.

    I thank all of you for doing what WE THE VOICELESS cannot do. because freedom of speech a freedom I serve in the military to protect (and what MR. Bush and friends want to take away) is somthing that I lawfully have no right to take part in. I fear even writing this here but I couldnt hold it in anymore! someone needed to hear how us the soldiers feel. I dont speak for them all but I know I am not alone.

  32. Anonymous said

    It reads “acts of violence” … any interpretations?

  33. nytexan said

    Anonymous:
    It reads “acts of violence” … any interpretations?

    Pretty broad and ambiguous wouldn’t you say. Just as ambiguois as “enemy combatants”, which landed many (some undeserving) in GITMO.

  34. nytexan said

    Poor soul fighting an unjust war Says:

    Thank you for coming back. There are many of us out here who saw right through Bush and his gang of crooks from the begining. Now many more have joined and we will not give up.

    It’s unfortunate that Bush,the GOP and some remaining Bush supporters continue to use soldiers for their financial gain.

    Hopefully this week we will see Rep. Conyers get the remaining 3 signature he needs to start impeachment against Cheney.

    Be safe. Stay in touch.

  35. Poor soul fighting an unjust war said

    I havent even heard of them trying to impeach cheney? do you have a link to any news links? I would very much like to hear about that. Oh and by the way I am also by way of marriage and falling in love with the texas way of living, very much a texan myself!

  36. nytexan said

    Poor soul fighting an unjust war Says:

    Rep. John Conyers
    http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=taxonomy/term/1

    Here’s one event going on today, besides Rep. Conyers

    ImpeachForPeace.org members along with David Swanson of After Downing Street will meet with Rep. Maxine Waters and the offices of Rep. Adam Schiff, Rep. Robert Wexler, and Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and other representatives as they are available. These House Reps are part of the Judiciary Committee, which currently has a resolution (House Resolution 333) to impeach Vice President Cheney. We’ll be presenting the petitions and urging these representatives to support impeachment on behalf of the majority of Americans who have indicated that they support the impeachment of Vice President Cheney.

    Russ Feingold:
    FEINGOLD CALLS FOR CENSURE OF PRESIDENT, ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS OVER IRAQ & ATTACK ON RULE OF LAW
    Feingold to Introduce Resolutions Censuring President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and Other Administration Officials

    http://feingold.senate.gov/%7Efeingold/releases/07/07/20070722.html

  37. nytexan said

    Poor soul fighting an unjust war Says:

    Texas is a very different place. For many once you get here it’s hard to leave.

  38. Poor soul fighting an unjust war said

    yeah I have that problem now lol. I used to make fun of texas and hate texas just cuz of stereotypes and now I consider it home and really never wanna leave again!

  39. nytexan said

    That’s ok Texans are forgiving. Just remember Bush is not an example of Texas, the Dixie Chicks are.

  40. Steve C. said

    I have been reading law for well over 30 years. In reading the posts here, including the “research” by the professor, I find myself in stunned amazement as to how so many people could have missed the most important and only qualifying word in this executive order: VIOLENCE.

    Get off your high horses so you can read the text. The order is not enforceable except against “persons determined to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence . . . .” It says nothing about protest.

    I am not defending anything here except reason itself.

  41. nytexan said

    Steve C:
    I too am in the legal field and have read this order more that once in its original text. Unfortunately the term “acts of violence” as it stands in this order, although defined, are still ambiguous, vague and leave room for argument and interpretation.

    Example:
    B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people.

    Section B is defined, however, the term “undermined efforts” has been stated by Bush, many times, towards Congress and the ant-war protest movement. The anti-war protest can be interpreted by Bush as ‘undermining efforts’ for him to create ‘political reform”.

    With regards to your statement:
    “persons determined to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence . . . .”

    This is the same language and oral arguments that have been used towards “enemy combatants”, in Guantanamo, which is still facing legal challenges.

    Therefore, I don’t find the analysis from the professor or the comments above stunning nor do I find anyone on their “high horse”.

  42. lol said

    I Love how the democraps claimed they were going to end the war if only people would vote for them!

    They got congress, had a chance to cut off war funding to force a withdrawel and did nothing.

    They just want to try and rack up more potential votes for when they say “but to end it we need the whitehouse too!!”

    The democraps are corrupt and worthless

  43. nytexan said

    LOL:
    No argument here. The democrats had a great chance and blew it. Your right they’re all corrupt, republicans and democrats. We no longer have a two party system, we now have the one party elite system.

  44. Beho said

    Try reading the executive order. There is nothing in there that pertains to war protests. God you people are as stupid as they come.

  45. nytexan said

    Beho:
    The order is vague enough to cover many aspects of protest.

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